On 21 set, 13:22, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know might be! I think there has been a lot of research on the
> subject.
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> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:19 PM, James Kimmitt <jkimm...@googlemail.com>wrote:
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> > Interesting - so do you think it is possibly counterproductive to use it
> > for longer than that?
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> > Has there actually been much rigorous research conducted on the subject
> > generally?
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> > On 21 September 2011 17:17, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> I think one should use brainwave entrainment for a maximum of 60 minutes.
>
> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:14 PM, James Kimmitt <jkimm...@googlemail.com
> >> > wrote:
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> >>> Hi Pontus,
>
> >>> How about the length of time? Is 35 minutes or so an optimum amount of
> >>> time? Would it be more effective if it was 90 minutes and less effective if
> >>> it was 10?
>
> >>> On 21 September 2011 17:07, alland padgett <allandpadg...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>> Good thing you mention the attention issue here, Pontus: i propose hence
> >>>> an open focus approach to this particular little experiment wich could be
> >>>> beneficial for dual n back and fluid intelligence as well.
>
> >>>> 2011/9/21 alland padgett <allandpadg...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>>> I play it kinda lower and just focus on my work letting the ambience
> >>>>> ´spikes´ stimulate me trough the backgroud.
>
> >>>>> 2011/9/21 James Kimmitt <jkimm...@googlemail.com>
>
> >>>>>> I find them a tad distracting if i'm trying to read or work while
> >>>>>> listening ...
>
> >>>>>> Does it matter what volume you listen to it? Is it more effective if
> >>>>>> it is louder?
>
> >>>>>> On 21 September 2011 16:04, alland padgett <allandpadg...@gmail.com
> >>>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I don´t pay attention to affirmations since that way they could
> >>>>>>> probably make it to my subconscious with more ease thus afect me positively.
> >>>>>>> Of course that is some wishful thinking on my side but now i just plan to go
> >>>>>>> along with it because i like it and there is some chance that after a while
> >>>>>>> my cognition has improved, that´s all.
>
> >>>>>>> 2011/9/21 James Kimmitt <jkimm...@googlemail.com>
>
> >>>>>>>> I quite enjoy it but I don't see the purpose in the affirmations -
> >>>>>>>> they seem a bit cringeworthy to me.
>
> >>>>>>>> On 21 September 2011 14:24, alland padgett <
> >>>>>>>> allandpadg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> I listen Hacker of the 80´s before DUAL-n back training (in wich
> >>>>>>>>> i just got started 2 weeks ago). I started DUAL- nback at 2.6 and i am at
> >>>>>>>>> 3.6 now.
> >>>>>>>>> I just dig the H of the 80´s because makes me feel alert and
> >>>>>>>>> brisk.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Alland
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> >>>>>>>>> 2011/9/21 Psionic <psionic0...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> K448 sonata for two pianos by Mozart does it by synchronizing
> >>>>>>>>>> neuronal
> >>>>>>>>>> activation
>
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1281386/
> >>>>>>>>>> "after listening to Mozart's sonata for two pianos (K448) for 10
> >>>>>>>>>> minutes, normal subjects showed significantly better spatial
> >>>>>>>>>> reasoning
> >>>>>>>>>> skills than after periods of listening to relaxation instructions
> >>>>>>>>>> designed to lower blood pressure or silence. The mean spatial IQ
> >>>>>>>>>> scores were 8 and 9 points higher after listening to the music
> >>>>>>>>>> than in
> >>>>>>>>>> the other two conditions. The enhancing effect did not extend
> >>>>>>>>>> beyond
> >>>>>>>>>> 10-15 minutes."
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 11:16 pm, Colin Dickerman <collin.silvern...@gmail.com
>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> > So if I understand correctly, 20 minutes stimulated the hearing
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> > visual centers of the brain while they were listening and
> >>>>>>>>>> hearing to
> >>>>>>>>>> > the brainwave entrainment-then afterwards the effect wore off?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > That's it?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > On Sep 14, 11:54 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > *Direct effects of audio-visual stimulation on EEG *
> >>>>>>>>>> > > <
> >>>>>>>>>>http://libhub.sempertool.dk.ludwig.lub.lu.se/gmt/lub/elsevier/0169260..
> >>>>>>>>>> .>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > *Authors*: Teplan,
> >>>>>>>>>> > > M.<
> >>>>>>>>>>http://libhub.sempertool.dk.ludwig.lub.lu.se/libhub?func=search&query..
> >>>>>>>>>> .>---
> >>>>>>>>>> > > Krakovska,
> >>>>>>>>>> > > A.<
> >>>>>>>>>>http://libhub.sempertool.dk.ludwig.lub.lu.se/libhub?func=search&query..
> >>>>>>>>>> .>---
> >>>>>>>>>> > > Stolc,
> >>>>>>>>>> > > S.<
> >>>>>>>>>>http://libhub.sempertool.dk.ludwig.lub.lu.se/libhub?func=search&query..
> >>>>>>>>>> .>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > *Journal*: Computer Methods and Programs in Biomedicine
> >>>>>>>>>> *ISSN*: 01692607 *
> >>>>>>>>>> > > Year*: 2011 *Volume*: 102 *Issue*: 1 *Pages*: 17-24
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > In the course of 2 months, 25 repetitions of a 20min
> >>>>>>>>>> audio-visual
> >>>>>>>>>> > > stimulation (AVS) program with stimulations at 17, 9, 4, and
> >>>>>>>>>> 2Hz were
> >>>>>>>>>> > > applied to 6 volunteers. EEG data were recorded from 6 scalp
> >>>>>>>>>> locations
> >>>>>>>>>> > > prior, during and after AVS. In order to identify direct and
> >>>>>>>>>> transient
> >>>>>>>>>> > > changes in EEG under influence of AVS, total power, relative
> >>>>>>>>>> frequency band
> >>>>>>>>>> > > powers and magnitude-squared coherences were estimated.
> >>>>>>>>>> Intense brain wave
> >>>>>>>>>> > > entrainment as a direct reaction to AVS was significant
> >>>>>>>>>> through increase of
> >>>>>>>>>> > > spectral powers and coherences around the stimulating
> >>>>>>>>>> frequency bands in the
> >>>>>>>>>> > > occipital areas, spreading also to the central and frontal
> >>>>>>>>>> regions. However,
> >>>>>>>>>> > > these excitations were 'short-lived'. On the other hand some
> >>>>>>>>>> signs of
> >>>>>>>>>> > > interhemispheric cooperation (coherences in the narrow bands
> >>>>>>>>>> around 2, 4,
> >>>>>>>>>> > > and 17Hz at parieto-occipital areas) remained increased during
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> > > investigated 3min after AVS. As going through further AVS
> >>>>>>>>>> sessions the
> >>>>>>>>>> > > driving response progressively enhanced for 2 and 4Hz
> >>>>>>>>>> stimulation in
> >>>>>>>>>> > > centro-parietal locations. Progress was also found in the left
> >>>>>>>>>> and right
> >>>>>>>>>> > > hemisphere synchronization examined by coherences. In
> >>>>>>>>>> perspective, the
> >>>>>>>>>> > > results contribute to deeper comprehension of photic
> >>>>>>>>>> stimulation approaches
> >>>>>>>>>> > > as a technique of guided entrainment of the brain waves or
> >>>>>>>>>> intermediate
> >>>>>>>>>> > > increase of hemispheres' synchronization.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Colin Dickerman <
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > collin.silvern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > I could, but I have already tried to find evidence that
> >>>>>>>>>> listening to
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > certain tones on headphones could do all these magical
> >>>>>>>>>> things, but was
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > unable to find any scientific reasearch.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > I did however find a lot of websites making claims ranging
> >>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > helping terminal diseases to increasing your astral
> >>>>>>>>>> projection
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > ability.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > That's when I stop looking. So instead of trying to find
> >>>>>>>>>> what all good
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > sense tells me doesn't exist, I'll let the claimant provide
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > supporting evidence.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > On Sep 14, 3:49 pm, marleydelupa <Marleydel...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > You should also try to find any credible sources you can
> >>>>>>>>>> find and
> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > make a conclusion.
>
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